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Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:00:00 -
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Once again, James 315 will be democratically elected, but this time, as the Supreme Protector of the CSM.
315 4 CSM8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:56:00 -
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SPIONKOP wrote:
So James does not want a high sec or a carebear in Eve. I know there are many that don't "do" carebears but who do you think mines the trit for your ships. Carebears that's who.
So there is too much ISK in Empire. Who has the best minerals, the best moons, the best rats. Well it aint empire.
James is just another goon who wants to destroy Eve, he does not want to better high sec he wants to destroy it.
James has proposed a slightly different purpose for HighSec. It wouldn't flat out destroy HighSec, because it includes it as part of the risk/reward system. Right now, many of us have no real drive to push into LowSec, because we can do what we need entirely within HighSec. We can progress well entirely within HighSec. We can accumulate vast quantities of ISK in HighSec.
Part of his proposal is increasing the value of LowSec. As it stands right now, LowSec is kinda the red headed step child that few really bother with. Increasing the reward for venturing into LowSec creates new opportunities for many things. A mining op to LowSec with some security might be worth it, for the right reward. And when a mining op into LowSec isn't just fish in a barrel, maybe targeting mining ops in Low Sec becomes less palatable. From there, LowSec becomes a bit safer for housing some industrial types, while still maintaining a degree of risk, while still being less risky than trying to ninja into someone's 0.0 sov and steal their minerals.
This opens the door for new types of interactions. Right now, holing up in HighSec is a mostly viable method for avoiding interaction. When interaction is forced, people cry. We need them to be less worried about playing with themselves in public, and get out there and play with others. If that means that miners can't AFK mine ice or trit 23/7, I'm not sure that's a huge loss. After initial upheaval, the market normalizes.
As these interactions work with each other, the net effect is that LowSec becomes a safer place, HighSec isn't as desirable, the market improves for Industrialists, combat ships remain in demand, and people spend more time playing the game instead of watching Netflix while their ore holds fill themselves.
This type of approach endorses the idea of sandboxing, because it attacks the idea that your pillow fort really will keep the monsters outside.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:13:00 -
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SPIONKOP wrote:
Thanks Vin. You insist this is your main, for a 10 day old character you sure have a lot to say. Lets assume your not a James / Goon / Test alt then I assume you have yet to visit nul sec or low sec. In fact you have done nothing in eve other than kill a few miners. I suspect this either not your main or this post has been written by others. You lack credibility.
As grateful as I am for your daily donation of tears, I must admit that I am, indeed, an alt of James and the Goons, and Test. You are vastly correct in your assertion that they are all just me. You have busted me at the greatest con ever to happen in EvE. All this time, the entire Goonswarm has been me.
I'm so happy that your observation skills have shown us exactly how much credibility you have in this regard.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:55:00 -
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You're right in that it's not here right now. But that doesn't mean that the ides of it is offputting to new players. Despite the assertions of Psi, I am a new player who started after the internet news broke that somebody lost a few Titans. I may be new to EVE but that doesn't mean I'm new to gaming. A few days of forum reading can help fill in a lot of gaps. To that end, I support the idea of making things a little less safe outside starter areas.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:23:00 -
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Niveuss Nye wrote:
Of course, no doing this in newbie zones. I like tears, too. But not at the expense of blowing folks up who do not even know all the controls yet.
As one of the mythical new players everyone likes to speak for, I support this. I had a GM contact me in game during my trial to ask me if I needed help with anything. My answer was how do I steer. It took me 4 days to figure out steering.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.08 06:18:00 -
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Manu Militari wrote: Without hisec new players would never pass being 'new' because they would quit. They are at such a skill and isk disadvantage already, taking their proving grounds away would only make it worse.
As a new player, I've been podded for mining in LowSec, I've been pursued and blown up by Concord, I've received a bounty for 10M isk, I've sold ammo to other new players/characters, I've flown with gank fleets, I've bumped afk miners, I've learned how to steer, and much much more.
I've had a fun and exciting 10 days since I started playing.
None of it has been safe, none of it has been extremely profitable, but all of it has been fun. The times I've been the most bored with are when I sit there, staring at lasers slowly make an asteroid into isk. The changes suggested here can make my experience common for new players. "Welcome to the game, have some fun with some people." There's still safe places for newbies, places where we can mess around with trying to learn what we're doing. But there's room for much more fun to be had. I wouldn't trade my experiences as a new player jumping into risky endeavors for all the ice in Halaima.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:28:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:
i am fairly certain that you sir, are in fact, an alternate character of a person of ill repute posting on the forums to attempt to bring new players to the New Order
If it's really that impossible for new players to start playing the game, then why does everyone pretend to care about them? DBRB accidentally makes news, but surely nobody who doesn't already play the game would read that and become interested in playing, right? Any real new player has to want to afk mine ice, because new players need to supply the fuel market. That's their only purpose. No new player is allowed to have any sort of fun.
I'm sorry, but I fundamentally disagree with the role you envision for new players. I thought I was joining a game where people had risk and ships got blowed up.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:51:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote: ...while making high sec completely safe is a terrible idea, giving players a place where they dont have to be constantly paranoid that everything is important, no excuse for not fitting your god damn hulks already but seriously, you are a minority, not everyone supports the New Order, if you want people to go to null/low then stop trying to force them there and make some ******* incentive, like not killing them constantly and forever
His proposals do in fact take account that new players need a safe-ish environment to play around in. That's what his proposal for the purpose of HighSec is. HighSec remains a safer place for new characters to stumble around. By taking away some of the incentive to stay in HighSec, and increasing the reward for going into LowSec, LowSec also becomes safer, because more people are working to make LowSec stable. His proposal isn't to throw everyone into LowSec as it is today.
Dante Uisen wrote:
The stench of alt posting has just gotten even fouler.
Confirming Dante Uisen is my alt.
New players would NEVER use sarcasm. NEVER.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:03:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:
no his proposal is to through out all PVE activities besides 2 types of ore and L1 and L2 missions, THATS his proposal for high sec
I'm not sure how many new players are looking for L3 missions to run while expecting to be 100% safe.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:27:00 -
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Manu Militari wrote:As the game stands now, there is nothing preventing new players from doing what you did, I dont see your argument? As the game stands now, null sec is much more rewarding than high sec, and its not working. The game needs a fix for nullsec and lowsec, not a complete nerf of hisec.
There's nothing preventing them from doing that, I readily acknowledge. The issue is that there's not much incentive for them to do it. HighSec is a nice comfy pillow fort that people can hide in, and once they get used to it, cry and beg whenever someone knocks it over, or bumps their ship. That's what these proposals help address. The proposal isn't "Step 1: Gimp HighSec, Step 2: Plan complete." His approach calls for adjustments across the board, to help encourage the sandbox.
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Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.11 16:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Because James can only occupy one of the 14 CSM seats.
For now... DUN DUN DUNNNNNN
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:44:00 -
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Manu Militari wrote:I have a hard time believing any of these supporters are anything but James315 alts. .
I have a hard time believing you're not a James 315 alt playing devil's advocate in order to make it look like there's an actual debate going on.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.15 03:39:00 -
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Wescro wrote:
How many alts do you think I....I mean...James 315 has?
It's a proven fact that everyone posting any opinion in any thread about The Order or James is James himself posting as an alt.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:01:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Alonzo Harris wrote:John E Normus wrote:30mil and a pledge of support in your bio is customary.
as is giving a "gf" in local after getting suicide ganked  sure thing, jimmy You might be pleased to hear that we suspend this rule in the case that the gankee's pod is located in a different system. As I believe I've said before, the New Order is entirely reasonable.
As reasonable as we are gracious!
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.20 23:24:00 -
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Gericault Themerelle wrote:All I have to say is this:
You missed the point entirely. If you think that calling yourself the CEO of a space corporation isn't the least bit silly, you may want to consider the fact that there are no space corporations, and that nobody is the CEO of any. The fact that James pointed out how there's no such thing as a CEO of Outerspaces in meatspace was used by James to point out that calling himself the Saviour of Highsec is no more insane than calling yourself CEO of Outerspaces.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.27 21:48:00 -
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Alonzo Harris wrote:
tl;dr: james is a completely egocentric brat, we all know it, nobody cares
If you don't care, why is your signature home to a link to your James 315 fanblog?
Edit: inb4 no u. My sig has a pro-James link in it because I, like the majority of the New Order, do care. We care about everyone.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:53:00 -
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Miiikka wrote:
So how does all this translate into James's quote....
"High sec. Will. Be. Saved"
What a load of crap lol
I have interesting things happen in HighSec. I can park two cats on a mining barge, and wait to see how long it takes to realize there may be a threat present. It's almost never immediate. If you think that's great for the game, then you appear to need some saving, too! Don't worry, the New Order is always pleased to help a miner.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.01 15:22:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Imagine if the 4 high-sec empires were all separated by low-sec space... and daring traders had to run through gatecamps in order to make a killing...
The current state of affairs is that it's still possible to afk freighter from one end of high-sec to the other, and still come out profitable. So... no-one really bothers to do industry in low-sec for its own sake.
Until we get nerfs or buffs (take your pick, I prefer buffs), the solution is VIOLENCE. And violence is something that all brave pilots are entitled to.
There's nothing about this post I don't like. If violence isn't the answer, you're not asking the right question.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:59:00 -
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It's not hard to peer past the layer of overdramatic satire when it comes to Our Saviour, and see what his intent is. The Agents of the Order were a complete boon to me as a new player. As a new industrialist. Everyone wants to paint us as monsters, boogeymen, and alts, but the reality of it all is that we're good people who are having fun playing together, like most corps. Our objectives are simple. Enforce the Code. Collect a pittance of a fee. Provide a welcoming environment for miners. Eradicate the spirit of the Bot. Praise the Saviour of HighSec. These are simple things, things that benefit everyone. I'm proud to be part of the New Order and proud to support 315 4 CSM8.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.14 02:49:00 -
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Niko Trive wrote:
Him and his followers know as New Order have run more new players off and they have quit the game.
I subbed two accounts on account (get it) of the New Order. Prior to that, I have never played the game. James has added players to the game.
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